Originally Posted by spi-ti-tout
firstly they wont let you enter the rally
secondly the co-driver tells the driver where to go, like some say which side of the road to be on for the corner, they tell you the speed / gear etc
there needed
Originally Posted by spi-ti-tout
firstly they wont let you enter the rally
secondly the co-driver tells the driver where to go, like some say which side of the road to be on for the corner, they tell you the speed / gear etc
there needed
Cedric - I sound like a chipmunk on there. Some friends of mine were like, "were you going through puberty?" I was like, no I was already 20, I just sound like a girl.
You're giving special preferences to the Scottish forest aren't you?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Are they something like the Finnish forests? With clear gravel and trees often surrounding you and things like that.
Woah......130Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Nice stuff. Didn't know all this
Thanks
I used to ponder about navs (when I had not much access to rally except from talking to a friend, who didn't know much about it anyway) and came to think navs were only navs because they hadn't reached the driving stage yet basing it on the thought "Who doesn't want the thrill of driving?". Looks like I was going the opposite wayOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
A bit muddling but all good. I guess the driver has to have to good imagination and a good sense of humour after all of thatOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
But its also the most fun. All that power, control, adrenaline, speed, drift, hairpins, straights, 90's, 180's, and the feel, the exitement the passion and the soul of rallying distinguish it from any otherOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Rally Rocks!!
Wouldn't you agree?
That's the experience and the rest of Britain.Originally Posted by spi-ti-tout
Can only say about Finnish, Swedish, French Italian from the coverage adn second hand !!
Finnish surfaces are a little smoother than SCottish and less muddier than Welsh and most British. Scottish forest tracks have a lot of hard rock/gravel and can be quite large with smaller infill. So it can get VERY rough.Are they something like the Finnish forests? With clear gravel and trees often surrounding you and things like that.
Finnish looks more smaller rocks and 'dustier'.
Sadly a nav doesnt' have the option and has to keep looking. Sometimes you dont' want to - coz you're not in controlWoah......130
Skill for sure comes into it.I used to ponder about navs (when I had not much access to rally except from talking to a friend, who didn't know much about it anyway) and came to think navs were only navs because they hadn't reached the driving stage yet basing it on the thought "Who doesn't want the thrill of driving?". Looks like I was going the opposite way
A lesson I learned quite early on with the Escort was I didn't have the outright skill and speed to be in the top 10 as a driver - lack of experience, I made this call when I was 17 ( shoudl have waited longer )
BUT moeny also has a large part and a lot of drivers switch to nav as they can't fund their own car. THEN they find they are bloody good navs and stick with it as "career".
Many do both at clubman level.
What -- there is another form of motorsport ? where ??Rally Rocks!!
Wouldn't you agree?
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
The deserts of UAE are real killers. A true test of keeping your car in control in some of the most slippery (and most of the times deep!!) terrain in the world. A shame they never have WRC here. It would be an ideal place, with lots of sand, lots of money and lots of fansOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Atleast you got to rallyOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Just as a side note, how much are WRC Navs paid considering how much the driver is paid?
Other forms of 'wannabe' motorsport sure. But nothing just like or close to rallyOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
We see the rally series over here sometimes.Originally Posted by spi-ti-tout
Not the same, get it wrong in most of the desert stages and you get stuck.
Get it wrong in a forest and you bounce off the trees - IF YOU'RE LUCKY
The safari rallies are another thing though adn I woudl really liek the East African to be returned to the WRC
The WRC approach that it is the DRIVER that matters - note the co-driver name isnt' the same size of character or location as the driver anymore - and so the co-driver salary dropped.Just as a side note, how much are WRC Navs paid considering how much the driver is paid?
Moya split from Sainz when he moved to Citroen because he was only going to be paid HALF of what he got whilst the pair were at Ford.
So it's less now than it used to be
Still a LOT though.
But at the bottom of the ladder, a nav woudl normally be expected to pay their way
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
entery fee's, race suit, helmet, overnight place to stay in my case ;pOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Cedric - I sound like a chipmunk on there. Some friends of mine were like, "were you going through puberty?" I was like, no I was already 20, I just sound like a girl.
The plus is your costs are capped.Originally Posted by Mustang
A driver/owner risks writing off the car each time - especially if they've a dodgy nav
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
you mean kinda like me with a nav who has as much experience at co-driving as i do at sky diving lol
and more fool me i was aiming for Grizedale as my firs rally
hmn.. dont think that a national forest is quite the place to start, maybee 3 sisters first or even weeton
Cedric - I sound like a chipmunk on there. Some friends of mine were like, "were you going through puberty?" I was like, no I was already 20, I just sound like a girl.
Which country, UAE? Do you ever watch the Desert Extreme Rally Challenge?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
My idea is the real test lies in two things, not getting yourself into a mess and getting out of it once you're there. Compared to Acropolis, it must be almost the same. Too many tyres going down in Acropolis. And, maybe the drivers might appreciate a change of sceneryOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Have to agree there. Kenya is an absolutely beautiful place with all its calm scenery (not just talking as a kenyan, but generally). Why did the FIA pull it out of the map?Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
It was just what was on my mind lately. Why? The windows looked better with both the names and its appreciation to the true team effort. It's not fair atall . I bet WRC wouldn't be as enjoyable if they weren't any navs because the drivers would be crashing everytime.Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Maybe all fans of WRC can protest to get navs their honourable names on the windows back
[QUOTE=spi-ti-tout]Which country, UAE? Do you ever watch the Desert Extreme Rally Challenge?[/QUOTE[
Middle East Rally Championship.
Bin Sulayem always had some good kit and drove the terrain well.
The WRC ahnged their requriemnets for rallies to be aruond a centre and to have reduced stage duration - all in the name of "safety' theou clealry the first is abot the press and hospitality . So the East African coudlnt' fit into their mould. Neither coudl the British rally which is why it is now a poor copy of it's once great self - 3 days long NAD night stages !!Have to agree there. Kenya is an absolutely beautiful place with all its calm scenery (not just talking as a kenyan, but generally). Why did the FIA pull it out of the map?
SOME teams have continued to put the co-drivers name on the bodywork below the windowMaybe all fans of WRC can protest to get navs their honourable names on the windows back
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Yeah. I was too small to understand what rally really was when he was doing his stuff and so I missed most of it. But I do have some good stuff. I read an article once when he had just retired in the local magazine. A few quotes:Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
"Ford is the only one really serious about rally. No one else really cares"
"My back was semi-paralysed and my body was aching. Somehow I kept on going on and cried when I won the rally"
He probably only said the first one because he was using a focus. But I can't really say.
He was a good driver though. I guessed he was getting old but still had that rally passion in him, so he organized the Desert Extreme Rally Challenge.
Woah...3 days long!!!Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
That's incredible. If they wanted though, I expect they coud shorten stages such as these(?). They could have it in one place only instead of going round the whole country.
Still isn't the same though.Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
But atleast its there
I still say we should protest
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Cedric - I sound like a chipmunk on there. Some friends of mine were like, "were you going through puberty?" I was like, no I was already 20, I just sound like a girl.
Does this mean someones buying me a ticket??
Originally Posted by spi-ti-tout
ifd you wanna pay me back for it when you get here
Cedric - I sound like a chipmunk on there. Some friends of mine were like, "were you going through puberty?" I was like, no I was already 20, I just sound like a girl.
If you'll gimme a jobOriginally Posted by Mustang
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